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Bruce A Baker
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Location: Barnegat, NJ
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Sat Jun 19, 2004 3:23 am |
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Tuckerton is right down the street from my neighborhood, and I am not sure if I have ever met Paul Johnson Jr, or his son, but this whole episode stinks to high heaven of a sacrificial lamb for both the kidnapped Johnson and the Kidnappers being killed within hours of the dead line as they attempted to dump the body with its severed head.
One British analyst came to the conclustion that the kidnapper was a splinter group outside the operational control of Al-Quaeda and information was leaked that led to his demise as a warning to others to stay in line.
Too many shadows within the shadows for me, as the Arabs attempt to reign in their bad children from displaying their dirty laundry to the world, so I think there is a whole house of "let the children run wild as long as they are of use to the plans made by the house of Saude."
I may be among the minority but the man made his choices, took his chances, and part of that gamble was that there were the chance that crazys could and would cause a premature death by any means possible, so I cannot feel sorry that circumstances caused his death when so many unrecorded deaths of local people go unnoticed and out of the public media eye.
Question: How much of this entire affair do you believe was orchestrated or not orchestrated and the results of another dead American were the desired results of everyone but the family of the victim?
It could be a case of "too little to late" as the Saudi Government finally realizes that these children running wild have to be dealt with in the oldest of traditions and most of them need to be killed to maintain law and order, but that is merely my opinion.
As far as the Paul Johnson National News on the Media .... except for the local area of Tuckerton, I don't see any effect on the lives of most people. In fact, if it wasn't for the News Media ... I don't think any of this would have made a ripple in the American psyche. It certainly makes me wonder how much the News Media is playing to our sympathys and CAUSING the news instead of reporting the news?
As for this area of the world, I suppose another small memorial will be erected by a roadside somewhere, and in a couple of years only a few of the locals will remember what the heck that little plaque is for.
A majority of new houses will preclude the locals who just get pushed out as taxes and real estate values rise so that the pinelands become just another bedroom community for the citys and captains of industry. In the midst of this growth, somewhere in the local papers, in the local history books, a footnote will be written in the war on terrorism ... what a shame ... we the people couldn't have done something more.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is anything we can do beyond contributing our little bit to the war on Terrorism, and maybe that little bit is to verbally slap some sense into those who don't get it.
We are fighting for our lives here.
This is not a domestic problem of other nations, but it is a global problem that needs the world to think in another manner to address this problem.
In some ways, aikido theoretically does that, but the practical application needs to be applied to all people and all walks of like so that the minds of all people can adapt the principles to their chosen lifestyles.
Would Paul Johnson have had a chance if he practice martial arts and had the skills to turn the weapons of his kidnappers against them? Would these skills have gotten him killed sooner? I don't know ... but I do know ... the result of the present affair couldnt have been any worse for trying. Apathy never got anything done, and this whole new affair is as apathetic as it gets.
Paul Marshall Johnson Jr ... another victim in the terrorist war on organized society ... poor slob never had a chance.
Question is ... when are they gonna kill someone that you know? |
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Brian H
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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Location: Virginia
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 4:27 am |
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Bruce,
Al Queda is not a tightly organized, monolithic organization run by Osama Bin Laden.
To "be Al Queda," you merely have to draw financial, logistical or moral support from the "movement." Particularly post 9/11 the lines of communication and money have been cut, but that whole moral support issue remains. Without any contact with the leadership a would be terrorist can be confident that "Al Queda" will smile upon their work, when it is done in their name. Pre 9/11 Al Queda never took credit for its attacks, so the current trend of post attack credit taking is a way that cells can maintain limited contact.
A would be terrorist can no longer rely on Al Queda to coordinate money and people to facilitate an attack. Also, I have no doubt, that many would be terrorist has been swept up trying to find the elusive terror network.
Additionally, Iraq is clearly a more identifiable destination and terrorist recruits are flocking there, making them unavailable for other attacks.
But, as to training: If you have the initiative, your chases of winning are dramatically greater than if you do not. Training gives you the skills to exploit the moment and get the initiative.
The only question is would he have had that moment.
The choice is not War or Peace, it is fight or surrender (and they kill their prisoners) |
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Bruce A Baker
Joined: 16 Sep 2002
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Mon Jun 21, 2004 11:24 am |
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I understand that.
It is kinda like there being no Organized Crime, because it is Disorganized Crime if you want to be specific. It is also Disorganized Terrorist threats, including Disorganized Al Quaeda.
Picky, picky, picky ... but none the less, these are not my thoughts, they are the commentary of a British Terror Analyst, which I believe is just another story told around the campfire .. believe it ... or not.
If we are to put the prisoner abuse in perspective, it would have been alright to kill, maim, cut off various body parts under the Arab law, but this naked dog pile and the humiliation ... that was just too much! They shoulda stuck to the law and had a court order to cut off fingers, hands, toes, feet, and then their heads if they didn't co-operate, eh?
Same deal with the brainwashed terrorist who are suicidal .... it really doesn't matter who is right or wrong, whatever they believe is what they believe and they are gonna die or kill as many infidels as they can get their hands on, disorganized or not. In a way, we have hundreds of thousands of ticking time-bombs hidden in our midst just waiting to explode. Is it organized? Not really. Can we identify the source of disorganization and dissemination for the loyalty of their movement? Yeah, just like the ugly face that rose in the 1950s for the Communist hatred fanned to a roaring fire by McCarthism, here we are again, but now we have the real violence, not just the philosophical doctrine of intellectualism.
In a way, Aikido is doing the same thing that Capitolism is doing, or Communism was doing, or the Terrorist Movement is doing today, it is teaching us to adapt, adopt some ways of the Japanese culture as we become better and better at our aikido practice which in some ways is brainwashing some weaker minds and in other ways is uniting us in a disorganized army of citizens who silently protect and serve the public. Yeah, our calming effect, our cool heads, our confidence under pressure does make a difference in many of the problems that arise in our daily lives and the lives of those we encounter during that day. Hopefully, we are not so brainwashed that we can think for ourselves and go beyond the present thinking that presupposes that Japanese culture has ALL the ANSWERS for AIKIDO, which it does not.
There is some truth in the terrorist idea that "From Chaos ... Order will be Revealed" and yet .... Whose order ... what did you think this was all about anyway?
I don't know if you have read my thoughts about the win-win propasition of Osama Bin Laden or not, so here is a brief description of winning even when he loses.
Examine the results of every conflict won by the USA. What happens? The USA rebuilds that nation and they are ten times better off then they were before the war, right? At least that is the way it goes when people accept the aid and help of the USA and don't try to go back to the old ways.
If Bin Laden wins, he will have to rebuild, and his purpose will be a terrible burden to sell oil at a ridiculus price to gain enough wealth to stay in power and destroy the infidels of the west with a world wide catastrophe in which all the true believers will, theoretically, survive. I don't think that will ever happen.
On the other hand, if he fights and loses, then he nations of the world will throw the killers out of power, and after a short period of time, the nations of Islam will be mightier than then ever were because all the power of the west will then come to the east as the people fall back upon the old ways of their fathers because they continue to brainwash their children with this religion of Islam and in three generations they either are our allies or back in charge of a technological nation that can hold its own against the world, more or less.
If he wins .. .he wins.
If he loses .... he wins.
So tell me, who is the sucker in this world wide battle of terrorism brought across the world to, once again, awaken the sleeping giant of America?
People are just so stupid ... ya think they coulda worked all this out without fighting, but noooooo ... we need drugs to cause chaos, we need terror to initialize action when inaction is the apathy of nations, and we need war to cause changes in our lethargic thinking processes.
It is nature, it is the natural way of the world. It is cause. It is effect. Make of it what you will, our only solution was to deal with a smaller problem now, or a larger problem later.
Despite all the who, what, where, when, how, or who belongs to what group, the results are the same, chaos causes action, while inaction causes problems to grow if unattended.
I say, pick a name, but the cause and effect is what is important at this stage of the game to resolve some of the problems around the world.
Don't get me wrong, the statistical numbers of humanity is bound to affect the chances of more and more problems, causing more deaths, more horrific events, and in many cases, it is just the nature of the chaos in the universe causing change.
I don't like chaos, but realize the dispair of these countries, the absolute poverty, and then you begin to understand the events that trigger the chaos.
I guess it would be cheaper to give 'em all jobs, homes, free electricity, water, and let 'em fight amongst themselves, but that would be far far too easy, wouldn't it?
That is my ramble for today.
Catch ya later .... break is over .. .back outside to play. |
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Brian H
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 5:59 am |
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If he wins .. .he wins.
If he loses .... he wins.
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Win or loose, dead is still dead.
Terrorists simply can not win a war, battles yes, but not a war.
They lack the ability to hold ground and if faced with a powerful enemy with the will to destroy them, they can't win. Terrorists need the proverbial cave to hide in. The lefty European/American terrorist always had the iron curtain to hide behind, now they can only really count on Cuba (and that sanctuary is one heart beat away from falling).
So when I was first learning about terrorism as a academic subject, it was pretty obvious that the age of communist influenced terrorism was ending and Islamic terrorism was ready to fill the void. In the intervening years, that has sadly come to pass, but the basic requirements remain the same.
Deny them a place to hide and they will perish. With nuclear arms as a possibility, failure is not an option, because borders and oceans mean little at that point.
Is there a place on earth that Al Queda could openly operate or that you REALLY think we would not openly or covertly attack them?
Do you think that that situation would change if Kerry were in the big chair? |
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Bruce A Baker
Joined: 16 Sep 2002
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Location: Barnegat, NJ
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 9:46 am |
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If he wins .. .he wins.
If he loses .... he wins.
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Win or loose, dead is still dead.
Terrorists simply can not win a war, battles yes, but not a war.
Deny them a place to hide and they will perish. With nuclear arms as a possibility, failure is not an option, because borders and oceans mean little at that point........
.......Is there a place on earth that Al Queda could openly operate or that you REALLY think we would not openly or covertly attack them?
Do you think that that situation would change if Kerry were in the big chair? |
Fact is, some of this chaos is due to the wrangling of the Democratic party and their constituents acting behind the scenes, but even with the media blitz ... it looks like the economy is gonna recover, and despite the petroleum industrial economy being oil dependent, we just might realize it is time to seriously address population control, and the environment. Yeah, I know, the opportunity for battles to be won and theoretically change the balance of power is actually the root effort of the terrorists who can't find a way to live with each other let alone their imagined enemys, but the fact that the sleeping giant is beginning to awaken from his long sleep ... especially during the Bill Clinton years, it looks like we might have a chance to delay WORLD WAR for a few more decades.
What? You don't see it coming? Weapons trade being the #1 priority of 2nd and 3rd world nations? Nations where people are still using ditches as sewerage removal?
I see the population density in the pine barrens of South Jersey reaching a point where City Water, Sewerage to every house, and public utilitys being forced to connect to every house because the land is becoming so overpopulated it can't handle the people living there. And ... If you are paying attention, the murder, killing and Jihad are just a means of population control in lands that can no longer sustain the people living there under the present culture or technology. This is just one factor in the behavior changes that allow this natural instinct to kill or be killed to be activated if one lets the rhetoric of some shaman brainwash their free thinking or ability to make an unbiased decision based upon the thinking mind and not the emotional turmoil of the mind.
Whether they am dead now, or we have to make 'em dead later is up to you in your analysis of the present situation and the extrapolation of what the present situation could be if all of our efforts went to hell in a handbasket.
Dead is dead .... but ... what lies have been sown in the minds of the survivors? Hmmmmm ... therein lies the rub, doesn't it.
I guess we just have to give 'em, the terrorist that is, what they want .... death.
Somehow we need to find a way to identify more of those hiding in plain sight, and then we will have denied them all the hiding places they seek to use. How about flouresent dye or somekind of marker that show up at night on a number of weapons and then just pick them people out of the crowd for a couple of nights? Or the old give 'em a chance to come out with their hands up, then kill everyone who doesn't? Yeah, I know, the innocents will die too, but then Allah is kind to those of innocence ... Allah will take care of the innocent, while the rest of us regroup in hell!
All kidding aside ... for real .... I believe we all have to learn the lessons that make us silent warriors among those who would hide in our own land, hide amongst our own people if we are to survive this idea that all infidels are victims to be killed by the faithful. Whoever started that story was pretty damn drunk, and I can't believe people are STILL stupid enough to believe it.
So all I can say about the solution for the present situation is ...
Yeah, I agree with ya ... dead is dead. |
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Brian H
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Tue Jun 22, 2004 11:11 am |
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Nothing makes people have less babies better than prosperity.
Nothing breeds violence like despair.
However, most of the 9/11 hijackers (and Bin Laden himself) came from big wealthy to middle class Saudi families. Go figure.
As for marking of terrorists ... I would prefer a stone or wooden marker to anything else. |
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Bruce A Baker
Joined: 16 Sep 2002
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:02 am |
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| Brian H wrote: |
......However, most of the 9/11 hijackers (and Bin Laden himself) came from big wealthy to middle class Saudi families. Go figure.......
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That, my friend, is whole nother story in itself, but what it comes down to is ... the brainwashing of religious zealots and their seeking violence to make the world in some sort of order or image they designate.
Yeah, I know, some of them thar crazys don't see it, or they claim they are acting on the higher goal of their God, but all in all, it is the simplicity of using chaos and violence to change the world. The wolves are out there among the sheep theory makes them think that the superiority of their doctrine will prevail against all odds, and materialistic goals of this life are inconsequential to that goal. Their beliefs negate the fact they come from rich, or well to do families.
Oh well, we have the same effect for cults in the USA where people give away all their worldly goods to become a member of some cult that will take care of all their earthly needs .... not all that much different are the terrorist and cultist if you are listing cause and effect.
You know what I am saying. 10 kids raised in the same environment and 3 become well to do, 4 become average and 3 become absolute failures windin up in jail or getting themselves killed. Why? It is the choice factor of individuality and the individual thought process choosing bad choices for the individual.
Maybe that is one reason the statistics indicate trends in the human population in light of the social condition. The short term changes sometimes cause long term results, but the long term results are maintained by longterm policys.
Hence, this aikido doctrine of training and practice is a long term policy affecting the short term changes that need to be addressed in the human psyche. The physical application of practice reinforces the mental doctrine of passive resistence while searching for viable alternatives to active pre-emptive action.
I wonder ... is the law of Islam more correct in killing offenders to keep the number of looneys down to a dull roar more correct than re-educating and reforming them to live within society? Saddam Insane thought so .... and in light of this Jihad on western civilization ... I am starting to think he wasn't too far off from the solution?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to kill 'em all and let god sort 'em out, but it that is what it comes down to, who am I to fight the circumstances of the situation?
One final note ...
Hey, how do you like this new news network? You know, the terrorists have thier own online computer network releasing threats and their own slant on the news? |
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Brian H
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Wed Jun 23, 2004 4:36 am |
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Hey, how do you like this new news network? You know, the terrorists have thier own online computer network releasing threats and their own slant on the news?
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Do you mean "Air America," or has Michael Moore ginned something up? |
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Bruce A Baker
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Fri Jun 25, 2004 3:46 am |
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Michael Moore who is so far out there, he is making McCarthys Commie papers look like there really were commies hiding under every bed, behind every Bush? (pun intended.)
We could put a rag on his head and a bedsheet over his body and decide if he is either KKK or a Saudi prince?
Pointy hat, KKK. Roundy rag with band holding it on, Saudi prince.
Of course, he does have on good point in 100 bad ones, but man alive, this license to documentary is a bit much! Maybe we should documentary the real Michael Moore and his organized assasination of disorganized government? Hey ... we are just people, not gods? Maybe the mirror of reflection should be turned upon old Mike and we will find he is either off his drugs or he needs some drugs to get a real view of humanity rather than writing and distributing his own brand of propaganda? But ... that is a whole nother story ... |
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